UPDATED: How will Rupert Murdoch justify not covering Obama's address to Congress next week?

Tell me - what lies are you talking about? If you Google any story on Fox, you will find resources - other than blogs - that contain the same info, e.g., a story in the WSJ. Kind of like during the Clinton/Lewinsky thing. Everyone was saying it was a lie, that had Hillary going on her right-wing conspiracy tour, and then suddenly the dress appeared. Or the guy in Congress who had money in his freezer.

Just because you don't see it on the Obama-run media such as MSNBC does not mean it's not news. For example, despite actual video of what Van Jones has said and easy documentation of his history, note that NO OTHER NEWS OUTLET is running the story. Gee, does ignoring something mean it's not true.

Tell me just ONE lie that has appeared on Fox News

Tell me just ONE lie that has appeared on Fox News

Just tell us HOW MANY lies have been spewed O'Reilly, Hannity, Beck.....that's what were talking about. The GODS of the right wing.

the Obama-run media such as MSNBC

now THAT is a lie.

Teresa, you totally missed the point. Let me explain it a little clearer. The point is that the MSM has a skewed view of things and refuse to acknowledge the truth about their liberal friends, at least until it cannot be denied any longer. The point is they were out there supporting Clinton and calling those who believed the story liars and part of a right-wing conspiracy. I remember ole Hil on Today spewing this out, and the reporters not asking probing questions but essentially going along with Ole Hil's pity party. That is not reporting. And tell me, have you ever watched Fox news? I would like you to do that then Google the stories they discuss and tell me if you can show that ANY of them were false.

Ok...here's ONE lie....how many times did Fox label an embattled or troubled Republican as a Democrat? One time is an error, but they did it with Craig, Vitter, Foley, again and again and again. Once is a mistake, multiple times, negligence, nearly every time - that's a pattern of behavior and it was INTENTIONAL!

That's one simple, verifyable example of a Fox News lie.

How about the time they took a months old statement of Biden's, slapped a current date on it, spliced it into a "news" story, FOX admitted the duplicity. How about their law suit against their own employees for not lying and they won, giving them the right to lie?

BLD, you asked for one lie Fox has told, hell, I'll give you a book of them. Go to the library and check out, "LIES and the Lying Liars who tell them, a fair and balanced look at the right" by Al Franken. I already know what your reaction to this suggestion will be, but I thought I'd give it a try to help you educate yourself.

well, yeah. Al Frankin--now there's a nonbiased, fair opinion. Funny, really funny!!!

Franken is biased, but he is 100% fair and 100% accurate.....you see anderson, it is possible to be partisan but fair and balanced.....The problem however with those talking heads on the RIGHT is that they are far from fair or balanced and as is the case with Fox, they have a problem with accuracy too.

Like him or not, Franken is one of the most intelligent senators we have seen in a long time and his best selling books are outstanding reads that do call the right wing pundits like O'Reilly and Limbaugh out onto the carpet.....and Franken easily mops the floor with them - often with their own words.

See, here's where we part ways. People tend to see this only on one side. Beck is nuts. So is Olbermann. Hannity is so slanted, he can't see straight. So is Maddow. O'Reilly is completely full of himself. So is Matthews.

The talking heads on both the left and the right are a pain in the neck. None of them are "fair and balanced." This is what people need to see. Why don't they?

For dozens of lies (video of LIES from Faux provided):

http://foxattacks.com/

http://bravenewfilms.org/videos/foxattacks/

How Fox sued for the right to lie... And WON.:

http://digg.com/d3mvP9

O'Reilly Lies

http://digg.com/d3nWPl

Their lies & falsehoods are all over the internet, youtube, everywhere, and easy to find. You could spend all day (or days even), just watching Faux "news" clips being shown by various sources to be out and out LIES over and over agian, and Faux will just keep on repeating the same thing over and over again even though it has been shown to be Bull.

Skye-768303

How will Rupert Murdoch justify not covering Obama's address to Congress next week?

The same way he justifies the lies told by O'Reilly, Beck, and Hannity.

I have e-mailed the FCC numerous times asking them to change the station from a news station which they are not but stop them from calling themselves a news station or change their name to fox republican news, but we the public can stop fox, all we have to do is stop watching and not using the products of their sponsors, the Dixiecrat and the southern christen alliance who believe that blacks are inferior to the white race will never die, and the country gets weaker all because of the color of a person skin, how sick have America come, we thought we were making progress but we have digressed.

I have e-mailed the FCC numerous times asking them to change the station from a news station which they are not but stop them from calling themselves a news station or change their name to fox republican news, but we the public can stop fox, all we have to do is stop watching and not using the products of their sponsors

Thanks, Jerry. At least, you are trying to do your part. Good luck and let's see more of you on Newsvine.

I have e-mailed the FCC numerous times asking them to change the station from a news station which they are not but stop them from calling themselves a news station or change their name to fox republican news, but we the public can stop fox, all we have to do is stop watching and not using the products of their sponsors

I see that you want to use the power of the federal government to decide who gets to call themselves as they desire and covering news as they see fit, fair and balanced. You on the left can stop watching. We'll more than take up the slack. As for boycotting sponsors, what are you going to do to advertisers who sponsor programming on both Fox and MSNBC? Will you stop supporting Fox sponsor GE and quit watching MSNBC over their sponsorship of O'Reilly? As with whole foods, you know that we'll actively do buycotts of anyone you boycott and will do a counter boycott of anyone who gives in to one of yours.

Thanks, Jerry. At least, you are trying to do your part. Good luck and let's see more of you on Newsvine.

I too am doing my part! I am defending Fox News and and breaking all leftist boycotts.

Jerry is a full blown lunatic, ask her about the Secret Fox Army and their plan to violently overthrow the government to install a fascist/communist dictatorship. You will laugh your ass off!

This is to everyone that hates FOX...........don't watch, it won't hurt the network. I will continue to get the real deal from where I want to, no one else is reporting. The other stations are not covering anything of importance and are reeling from the lack of interest.

You guys are so laughable. Fox in no way compares to the likes of shows like Rachel Maddow or Keith O! Maybe you ought to look into George Soros and the shady characters with whom Obama associates.

You are like Baghad Bob during the start of the Iraq war. He would stand in front of the camera and say that they were winning, etc., while the Americans were just a few blocks away. See, he was used to a govt. that controlled things so that if they said it enough, THAT was the truth. (Watch the movie or read the book "1984.") Well, that's Obama and the mainstream media. Do you think if you say things enough they will be true? There were plenty of people like you in the 30's who were blinded until it was too late and their country was destroyed. The same with Cuba and any other country where a dictator has been put in place.

Google and read about David Horowitz and read his books. He was an avowed Communist years ago and was raised by Communist parents. He knows better than you and any other liberal or the MSM what is going on. He recognizes what Obama and all of his czars and Soros are, and their motives. He is concerned about the direction our country is going.

I, unlike you, have read and researched; I don't rely on the media to tell me what I should think. I see it for myself. And learning from history, I say that I am very concerned where the country is going. Hopefully Repubs can get control back of Congress in 2010 and reverse what he has done so far, then keep him in check until we vote him out in 2012.

Hopefully Repubs can get control back of Congress in 2010 and reverse what he has done so far, then keep him in check until we vote him out in 2012.

you want the same bunch back in control that f^cking RUINED our country? Shame on you!

You guys are so laughable. Fox in no way compares to the likes of shows like Rachel Maddow or Keith O!

You are 100% correct. Maddow and Obermann do not broadcast lies and propaganda.

ccm, 2.3 -Your response makes no sense. Tell me what you think Fox has reported that is lie - that is what I am talking about.

3.3, No, that's why the Dems are going to be booted out. If you do some research, you will find the Dems had an equal role in the economic problems we have today. You will even find an interesting article in the Village Voice laying out the Dems' role (and in case you don't know, that's not what you would call a conservative paper and one you would not expect to be critical of libs and Dems). And, Repubs have done a lot of good things through history.

CC, he is soooo damn successful at it. I will keep watching FOX, because the rest of the the media is in kiss ass mode.

Fox in no way compares to the likes of shows like Rachel Maddow or Keith O!

You are correct, Fox doesn't have shows with the facts, intelligence and wit of Rachel or Keith.

because the rest of the the media is in kiss ass mode.

Fox kisses the asses of the Right very loudly and publicly.

I will keep watching FOX, because the rest of the the media is in kiss ass mode.

maybe it's more because you agree with FOX.

IF by wit you mean a$$holes then your right fox doesn't have shows like that. Watching msnbc is a cruel joke to everyone. THe host on msnbc are just plain mean and spiteful thats why their viewership is way down. Only left wing crackpots watch it and agree with the way they attack people they have on.

Murdoch is an Aussie, a ruthless mogul and a bastard. He supported the war/invasion of Iraq for OIL

Oh no, but at least he didn't have any say and then vote for it like Hillary Clinton! But she's okay, because she's a Dem.

Dave, I have heard his speeches (don't know what his "speach" is) and I have read about this president and his views and probably no more about him than you.

Also, tell me - How can Fox control the message and all information? There are many more tv stations than Fox who give Obama favorable coverage: ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC and I guess CNN, too. (I mean, ABC gave him a free informercial on healthcare and refused to give the opposing side air time to run an ad - how biased is that?!)

How can one station control the message when there are five others who tell different stories and coverage? I mean, the messages on those other stations are different than Fox's. So, if you are so smart and know so much, tell me, how does your statement make sense? If there are five other stations that are broadcasting different coverage than Fox and obviously are favorable to Obama and bash Fox and Repubs (watched Rachel Maddow or Keith O lately?), then how much power can one station have?

Maybe the real answer is that the majority of the people in this country are not the radicals that Obama and his far-left minions are. They are finally realizing that the Obama they voted in - the candidate - is not the real OBAMA, and that they have been the object of the biggest bait-and-switch in our country's history. AND THEY ARE TIRED OF IT.

Tell me, what's wrong with a bunch of crazy ACORN people acting up to express their displeasure, but not regular U.S. citizens expressing theirs? Townhalls and Tea Parties are nowhere close to the crap ACORN and Obama's union friends engage in. And if you don't believe me, just Google ACORN and you'll find plenty of You Tube video of their antics - storming a bank, breaking into a foreclosed home "to take it back," etc.

Dave, I have heard his speeches (don't know what his "speach" is) and I have read about this president and his views and probably no more about him than you.

Pontificate much?

Maybe the real answer is that the majority of the people in this country are not the radicals that Obama and his far-left minions are. They are finally realizing that the Obama they voted in - the candidate - is not the real OBAMA, and that they have been the object of the biggest bait-and-switch in our country's history. AND THEY ARE TIRED OF IT.

uh, I don't think those that voted for Obama are the ones at the town hall meetings carrying guns and toting signs calling Obama Hitler.

The ones that are tired of it got tired on Nov 4th 2008.

There are more moderates than fringes. Do you judge all Democrats by the fringe of that party? And there are some at those meetings who are disgusted Democrats.

BLD----Nothing was said about any station "controlling" the message. Fox isn't going to broadcastthe speech. Since the are not going to broadcast the speach and many, if not most, viewers of Fox will not view the speech anywhere else, they won't have a true opinion of what was in the speech. Thus, they will remain, ignorant to any facts. As for your comment of how much better you "no" Obama, do you knowme? I think not. Anything else you stated is off topic, irrelevant, immature, whiny, and wrong.

Yeah, they're only going to broadcast it on 2 of their 3 networks. So, no chance for FOX viewers to watch it. Relly?

c anderson

So you are say because they are broadcasting on their cable shows that the Fox viewers that don't have cable are going to be in the "know". Balderdash and crapola. You need to quit pushing Fox. With their slanted views they can't afford to provide the truth.

And there are some at those meetings who are disgusted Democrats.

I live in Oklahoma. 55% of the voting population is Democrat, however, the state has not gone republican in a presidential election since Lyndon Johnson. Before that it was Harry Truman.

We aren't called "little dixie" for nothing.

Those pretending to be democrats at those meetings didn't vote for Obama. The are Dixiecrats still pissed about the civil war defeat.

Correct me if I'm wrong here. Those people who don't have cable can watch on CBS, NBC, or ABC. It those aren't available, chances are they have no TV and couldn't watch no matter who broadcast the speech. Let's not even try to pretend that FOX is the only network to slant their news.

I'm not pushing FOX. I'm pushing truth and fairness. Is that foreign to you?

You are pushing Fox. You deny it but it must be foreign to you to say you are pushing truth. Fox viewer who don't have cable/sat are being denied the speech. So much for fair and balance, so much for your fairness.

BTW

Degenerating into name calling and an attempt to ridicule shows how little you respect fair and honesty. I bet cha.

Degenerating into namecalling? That's special. Read 9.14. And, since you have assigned yourself the task of policing, make sure you collapse it for namecalling and insulting.

Anyone who has a TV has access to the speech. They have 3 major networks to choose from.

I ridiculed no one. Your attacks are uncalled for and just a method to sidestep the fact that the entire article is based on a misconception. And, while we're at it, you are one of the best ridiculers (is that a word?) that I have seen here.

That's a question. And the "feeble little mind" statement is all warm and fuzzy.

I'm amazed at how one-sided the hurt little feelings are.

c anderson: You seem to be swimming upstream! I'm still figuring out the three stations but I have read many times on NV that some FOX watchers will NOT watch any other station because they are the evil MSM etc. So it is safe to assume that IF the station not showing it is the non-cable one then they won't switch to one of the other three.

I suppose that may be true. I don't know. I'm sure others won't watch anything but MSNBC. Anyone who thinks the news isn't slanted on both of these networks is living in a fairy tale.

If people really want to watch it, I'm sure they can use one of the big 3 networks. If they don't, they never really wanted to watch it anyhow.

What the Obama administration should do is not even recognize or answer questions from the FOX news reporter during White House press briefings. Totally freeze them out. What's the point in even treating them like a reputable news organization when everyone knows they are not.

c anderson

That's a question.

No in the context you used it it was an attempt at ridicule. So much for truthfulness

And, while we're at it, you are one of the best ridiculers (is that a word?) that I have seen here.

Trying to change the subject of you being rather lacking truthfulness and of course fairness gives you away and lacking those virtues.

And then lying about the seeder of the article

Oh, face it, you'll delete anyone who disagrees with you anyway.

Shows that you think your are the only person who has the right to say anything and that when you are shown to be wrong or that someone disagrees with you, you take a fall back position just in case they should chastise you. Rather hypocritical of you, don't cha know.

The one thing you miss is that the other networks don't make it a point to lie, to distract or to distort the news in their commentaries. Fox make it a point to only feed their masses exactly what they are told by Murdoc or by people like Limbaugh.

Yea, I watch Fox I keep hoping that one day they will turn honest.

I wouldn't call you "feeble minded" just lacking in the skills of seeing beyond those that write your scripts for you. Is that ridiculing you? I don't believe so, see I'm for truth and fairness, just like Fox. You don't have to accept that, I don't really care. And of course anything I say to you is ignored. Now you can collapse this should you wish. Doesn't bother me, apparently it would bother you a great deal if it was done to you since you make such a deal of it.

Does that clear it up for your superior, enormous mind?

And there you go again with the ridicule. You really are a hypocrite c anderson. You say you don't do those things and then go right ahead and do them.

Are you done now? Do you feel better? I hope so.

That was quite a nice attack from someone who feels he needs to wander through Newsvine enforcing the code of honor. I'm underwhelmed. you know, of course, my life will never be the same after I found out you don't like me. (You forgot to mention that the superior, enormous comment was made in response to the feeble comment directed at me.) You should work at FOX. You're about as fair and balanced as they are!!

Truth hurts anderson. You make asinine comments and guess what, you don't like the response. If you don't truthful responses to your vitriol then don't make them.

Your feeble attempt to turn my comments to your favor show that you haven't any thing worthwhile to say.

BLD - you are not the spelling and grammar police. You should 'no' better.

It was a celebration...he is dead.

You can just picture Bill, Sean, Glenn, and Ann opening bottles of champange in tribute.

Broadcasting Obama speaking is teleboarding.

Only to those who can't comprehend words with more than two syllables.

Teleboarding. I like that one, hilarious.

Fox continually ascends to the top of the rating charts, day after day, week after week, month after month, and year after year. Why can't the liberal slanted cable and network affiliates even come close to competing? Simple really, people want to hear both sides of an issue! Sure, Fox slants towards the right. So what? Try finding a dissenting opinion on Obama's "green czar" on any left leaning channel, as an example. You can't! Like the hundreds of other negative stories regarding Obama and his criminal administration, their either mentioned in passing, or totally swept under the rug. Of course, if it's a Republican that's under the gun, Olberman, Maddow, and Matthews are all over it for days, aren't they? Slam Fox all you want libs... the ratings don't lie!

...and that's the facts Jack! Way to give 'em both barrels!

Only to those who can't comprehend words with more than two syllables.

I find the people cheering and clapping for Obama are at the same time drooling, wearing adult diapers, and suffering with the clap.

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Teresa 8.2 - If we are going to talk about "criminality" of torture, can you tell me why we haven't seen news stories and outcries over Clinton's role in it during his administration? His rendition?

...and Bush's speeches were sooooo good for ratings, eh?

Just checked it out. Yup, carrying the broadcast on news and business networks.

Is anyone willing to correct this to "FOX carries President Obama's speech on 2 out of 3 networks?" Murdoch is not refusing to carry the speech and the whole story is pure Bull.

I don't know what three FOX networks are. Do people who get one get all three or do you get one of the three depending on where you live or the type of TV reception you have? Thanks. PS I read they are showing it on two of the three.

DUH!!!! You can't go to FOXnews.com for yourself? I am always amused by people who demand "link" when they are proven wrong. I could give you 2000 links and you still would believe what you want to believe and disregard the truth.

It is not up to me to prove the article wrong. It is up to it's supporters to prove it credible, which it is not.

Bob,

I suppose it depends on your cable or satellite provider.

Yes, FOX is showing it on 2 of their 3 networks. Just another misleading case of liberals needing to play the victim. They complain that "FOX lies." Then, they sit right here and lie about FOX themselves. Silly, isn't it?

Well I guess it is good enough that they will carry it on their cable channels that have less veiwership than full attendance at a professional football stadium. I guess that qualifies as fair and balanced, I'm sure they covered the speeches from the last administration the same way. It is a fairly minor speech anyway. Seriously, who would be interested in hearing what our President has to say?

OH STOP!!!! The FOX news network blows away all the others in viewership and ratings. This "poor little me liberal" thingy is just plain silly. It's amazing how whiney they lhave become.

Oh, for goodness sake. Sorry your little bitty feelings are hurt.

"Don't even pretend to know my reaction to a link" You showed exactly what your reaction would have been. I was right the first time. "I would not go to Foxnews.com"

You just go on promoting your lies. You don't want to know that the claim is just plain untrue so you cover it with your nonsense.

Let's just pretend that your comment was all sweetness and sugar.

c anderson

Just checked it out. Yup, carrying the broadcast on news and business networks.

The biggest problem with your argument is those channels are not the channels the article is about. FOX NEWS is NOT carrying the presidents address to Congress and the nation.

pffft.

I think you are mistaken. FOX news is carrying it. It's not being carried on the one that broadcasts American Idol.

I turned on FOX news, (no, I don't usually watch it) just to see. They had an ad promoting the fact that they are showing it.

I'm not in the "FOX news is great" corner. I'm in the honesty corner. I wish more, on both sides, would join me. It gets lonely seeing the truth without the spin.

Simply not worth it. You have said many nasty things on this thread alone. I am not going to get into a battle of nasties with you.

And, all of this, is just a smokescreen. Care to just admit you were mistaken about the FOX broadcast and get out of attack mode?

We're done. Have a lovely day.
The sun is shining, the birds are singing, and life's too short to get yourself all worked up like that.

admit what?

FOX network is not showing the speech period end of story. No one ever said FOX news or fox business network were not airing the speech. The point that these posters are making is that the network channel FOX which airs on BROADCAST tv and not cable is refusing to show an address to the American people. Does this clear it up for your feeble little mind?

My feeble little mind? How very sweet and warm you are.

The article does not say that FOX is carrying the speech on news and business channels but not on network. It says that FOX is not carrying the speech period.

Does that clear it up for your superior, enormous mind?

teresa

false. You are not trying to lead anyone into a direction that promotes discussion. You are trying to lead people into a direction that promotes your point of view and a discussion of no others. You object to people who disagree with you. You have no problem with rudeness of people who don't.

My, my anderson for a person who says they never name call or ridicule you sure as heck do a lot of it. Rather childish lies on your part don't you think.

I love how you use this:

Become incredulous and indignant.. Avoid discussing key issues and instead focus on
side issues which can be used show the topic as being critical of some otherwise sacrosanct
group or theme. This is also known as the 'How dare you!' gambit.

as your method of operation here on the vine.

Am I ridiculing you. Heavens no. I showing you what you do in the hopes that you will change you rather sordid ways.

Oh, for goodness sake. Sorry your little bitty feelings are hurt.

Simply not worth it. You have said many nasty things on this thread alone.

And, all of this, is just a smokescreen

You object to people who disagree with you. You have no problem with rudeness of people who don't.

Have a good evening.

I am not a teabagger, deather, birther,or tenther so I deal with facts. I am not under the control of The Fox Nation Communist Party. I would not go to Foxnews.com because they copy IP addresses of anyone that goes to their site. It is part of their spying program.

Please show us the facts that there is a fox nation communist party. What is a tenther? Are you referring to people who take the tenth ammendment to the constitution quite literally?

ONE MORE TIME__FOX IS BROADCASTING THE SPEECH ON 2 NETWORKS!!!

I hate all caps, but it just doesn't seem to sink in. And liberals call conservatives hateful? What kind of mind does it take to hate a stupid tv network enough to spread lies about them?

Oh, face it, you'll delete anyone who disagrees with you anyway. I won't cry myself to sleep over it.

Just remember to delete anyone who agrees with you if they use all caps, OK?

c.anderson..............you are wasting your time on some people. I also know that FOX will broadcast on two networks, but if it is acknowledged, then there is no story. You tried to speak the truth, just too many deaf people. smile

Nice try c anderson. And you are quite correct. Obama's address will see on 2 of the 3 FOX Networks. Considering with each of the Prime Time President's appearances his ratings have dropped he's lucky to get the time at all.

I'm waiting for him to join the cast of CSI...

point of fact: Not all Americans can afford cable TV these days.

So,they can't watch it on ABC, NBC, or CBS? This is nothing more than a bunch of haters making a big deal out of nothing.

This is nothing more than a bunch of haters making a big deal out of nothing.

Imagine anyone thinking of doing that. The President's talk to the kids. My oh My.

yup, lose the argument, change the subject. Better start policing your own comments.

yup, lose the argument

Just about the only thing you have said over and over again is that 2 of the Fox channels are not carrying the broadcast. You win on that point. You loose on the over discussion.

Imagine: What if Obama gave a press conference and had pre-arranged questions...

Hmmmm, that's right, we don't have to imagine that one.

dar....debunked already, but nice try.....often the President has a list of names to call (Bush did too)...this maintains order in the "Lion's Den", however, the questions themselves are not pre-screened. Maybe you should watch a press conference from time to time to see that. And here's a newsflash for ya....Obama does not use a teleprompter when ANSWERING questions.

Bill

Now that you mention it, I have no such list. On the other hand my list of who not to take seriously is lengthy.

Good point, though, it's hard to seperate the blather from the blather.

Sound advice.

fox tv will not carry the speech, but fox news will or something like that. I don't have cable anymore and didn't know fox had multiple outlets. If that is the case what does fox tv gain by not carrying the speech? Odd!

Don't know what they gain. I just know that they are carrying it on 2 of their 3 networks. Thus, the implication that they are not carrying it is misleading.

I also wonder about the rights of private corporations. Do they have the right to decide not to carry the speech? Do people have the right to watch programming other than the speech? Aren't there enough places to view the speech?

As usual, I see this as a whole lot of ado about absolutely nothing. I think that people should use the truth> That's my only goal. I don't promote FOX or any other network, I just ask that we be honest in what we say about any of them.

J. W. Welch

If that is the case what does fox tv gain by not carrying the speech?

Viewers.

In my area, we receive transmissions from 5 broadcast stations - 4 are extremely liberal (and will sickeningly gush on and on, long after the speech, about how great they think Obama is & probably about how we all should pledge to do whatever he wants us to do), 1 is FOX. Believe it or not, some of us do not enjoy watching Obama read from his teleprompters & will instead prefer watching the only alternative TV programming we are allowed to watch.

I will later read the transcript of the speech, instead of watching him read the speech his team of high-paid speechwriters wrote for his teleprompters and watching him perform his well-rehearsed motions.

And if the transcript does not match what was actually said (like the transcript of his beloved racist preacher during the inaugural ceremonies), I am sure the discrepancy will be discussed on Newsvine.

Even those who hate Murdoch, still might enjoy watching his National Geographic Channel (even if you don't want to watch his FOX stations). Hope you don't forbid your children from viewing it on cable or satellite, simply due to your hatred for him...

Stop that Teresa remember anderson doesn't promote Fox. He doesn't ridicule, doesn't call names. He's a true square shooter.

As usual, I see this as a whole lot of ado about absolutely nothing. I think that people should use the truth> That's my only goal. I don't promote FOX or any other network, I just ask that we be honest in what we say about any of them.

Hahahahahahahahaah

Don't "the masses" watch ABC, CBS, NBC. MSNBC and BET?

Yes, they do, and most of those networks are not not much more informative just a bit less shrill.

Don't "the masses" watch ABC, CBS, NBC. MSNBC and BET?

AND don't forget....FOX FCN is a member of the MSM too.

SAT...

Your comments are not any better than racist comments. Let's see; Southerners are dumb, they are racist and bigots, and they are in the Klan.

Do you realize how idiotic that sounds? You probably think is sounds smart, cute or whatever. I just makes you sound stupid.

greg:

You probably think is sounds smart, cute or whatever. I just makes you sound stupid.

Hate to tell you this, Greg; but the way the GOP has taken their turn as of late, if the truth hurts, then wear it!! They put forth no ideas whatsoever; but everything this President does is wrong to them!! The party of "NO" fits them perfectly.

Let's just see how quickly they change if they get back in control to rape America again!! Let's just see what they'll do for the American people, then!!! The people don't mean cr*p to them!! The only thing that matters to the GOP is greed!!! If you ever watched anything besides FOX, you'd have a chance of understanding. Listen and learn from all, not just FOX!!

Careful. Don't force these people to admit that the entire headline is false because FOX is broadcasting the speech on 2 of their networks. It makes them really testy.

The controversy is that the fox network showed all of W's speeches.

Greg...

Many Americans don't want to watch it! Some of the major networks didn't carry Bush's speeches.

Can you say, definitively, that some of the major networks did not carry a Presidential speech to a joint session of Congress? Or are you just stating a falsehood and hoping it will stick?

For a "wannabe" they are doing pretty well. They are number one in cable news.

Frequently, their viewership numbers surpass all of the others combined. Do you suppose the elitists are willing to admit that they are in the vast minority?

Greg, are you pleased that Fox TV will continue to broadcast its hard porn programs on its subsidiary networks? Fox is number one for a reason, Murdoch knows that flies like all kinds of excrement.

Why should anyone care? Are we going to be forced to watch it? Is it going to be broadcast on NickJr? Shouldn't people who want to watch it be allowed? Are you for bookburning too?

Numbers mean nothing when their content is informationally worthless.

The Libs can be broke down into two main group. The first is the "what can the government give me or do for me group.

This group includes: welfare/government assistance sponges, government employees (education employees), union members, which includes lawyer.

The second group is the itellectual elites, which are on here often. They include many from the first list. But the main requirement is, you have to think that most people are not capable of taking care of themselves. The government needs to be there with help and a fine-mesh safety net. This is also the same group that makes fun of Southerns, Christians.

Greg, are you pleased that Fox TV will continue to broadcast its hard porn programs on its subsidiary networks?

Crap! I have been missing out on "motivational videos"? What channel? I need to look into it!

Your "two main group" statement has little to do with FOX's lack of covering a POTUS.

What are you...The 'Vine Police?

No but some intellectual reasoning standards would be nice from some wing nuts, occasionally. Oh wait, I just remembered that you people are part of this whole irrational town hall revolt movement. My bad.

jbird

I thought the liberal name was "those people." did you not get your instructions?

c anderson- strike one for lack of originality

Greg-Yes as a matter of fact they are proud, as I actually graduated college.

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This group includes: welfare/government assistance sponges, government employees (education employees), union members, which includes lawyer.

The second group is the itellectual elites, which are on here often. They include many from the first list. But the main requirement is, you have to think that most people are not capable of taking care of themselves. The government needs to be there with help and a fine-mesh safety net. This is also the same group that makes fun of Southerns, Christians.

You deserved being called a wingnut. It fits your ideology.

To put liberals/dems in a tidy little package is your way of seeming more important. You see you are sooo wrong. Liberals/progressives are such the polar opposite of conservative/neocons that you can't label us or pigeon hole us as do- nothing welfare intellectual elitist school teachers lawyers union workers or for that matter President of the United States.

I am a southerner and believe you me, the profile fits pretty good. I was lucky and was raised by a progressive, free thinking woman. The only time my neck is red is in the summer from working my garden.

Well then, act like like it.

What are you...The 'Vine Police?

Someone needs to be.

Greg

23.11 is a violation of the CoH and you know it. Don't you ever get tired of doing that?

I marked as inflammatory, and everyone on the Vine is the Vine police. Maybe you aren't but most are. You do know if two or three people report your comment to Tyler you will be gone from the Vine, don't cha?

Remember Greg, tattletales are sensitive!

fire

And little brains cant think.

jay

Practicing in the mirror, are you?

Well I see an adult when in front of the mirror instead of the 2 year old you see with your two year old comments.

If Fox is not going to use our airwaves in our interest, let's pull their license to use our airwaves.

Wow PD...really shown your true colors there. Why not just nationalize the media? We could have "The Peoples News" (kind of like NPR). So, if the news isn't Liberal enough...shut 'em down? Now that is scary!

If Fox is not going to use our airwaves in our interest, let's pull their license to use our airwaves.

Just curious....Did you complain this loudly when the major networks didn't cover Bush's speeches?

Greg,

Name ONE time the major networks didn't cover Bush when he addressed Congress. Or ONE state of the union. About the only thing they didn't cover were the ignorant (but few) press conferences.

CCA....I can remeber several times when Bush went to "address the nation" and was noty covered by the big 3. If you want exact date, I can't help you. Try Google.

CCA

Better yet, name one major network that isn't carrying Obama's speech. Since it is on 2 of Fox's networks, can I believe that MSNBC isn't carrying it?

Executives at Fox, owned by News Corp., would not comment on the decision Monday. It's not without precedent for the network; Fox didn't carry a prime-time speech by President George W. Bush in November 2001 despite a request from the White House.

Stolen from page 2

And MSNBC has "reporters" having "thrills shoot up their legs" by Obama speeches. That is real objective.

It's the first place that I look. Actually, it's the only place that I look! No matter how much the left kicks and screams about Fox's credibility, ratings equal legitimacy! Besides, I want to blow a hole in my new 52" lcd everytime Olberman's gigantic head appears on it, and that clown just isn't worth it!

Greg: Chris Mathews is a commentator = entertainer - he is by no stretch of the imagination a reporter nor has he claimed to be one. Holding him to a standard that has nothing to do with his job is self serving.

@fireyourguns

ratings equal legitimacy!

wow...you really believe that? That is incredibility dangerous.

And its a double edged sword, think about it. Fox news is the top rated cable news channel however it is regularly blown away by network news shows.

FNC: 1,400,000 viewers

however...

CBS evening news: 11,500,000

ABC News: 10,000,000

NBC Nightly News 14,000,000 (highest rated overall news show for over 10 years)

PBS Newshours with Jim Lehrer: 8,000,000 (total per week)

disclaimer: these numbers are from different sources and different time periods, they may not be exact but they are close enough to correct to support my point.

Fox news is the top rated cable news channel however it is regularly blown away by network news shows.

And the ratings for the cable news programs for MSN, CBS, and ABC are also regularly blown away by network news program ratings, only much more than FOX's cable ratings are. All that shows is that more people watch network news than cable news. I'm sure if FOX decided to have a 6 pm network news program on every night, the ratings for that program would also skyrocket...

When FOX competes on cable, it is top-rated. It is not competing on network TV (instead, it offers family programming - at least in my area), but if it did, it would probably also be top-rated there, too.

"It is not competing on network TV (instead, it offers family programming - at least in my area),"

One thing that amazes me about Fox is how the over-the-air part of the network began as something so very different from what the "family values" crowd wanted.

Back when Fox bought out our local Detroit CBS franchise (and there had to be a lot of money involved for that to happen) the initial programming offerings were anything but family-friendly. In fact, they were quite raunchy, and the religious right were one of the most vocal groups of protesters. Remember Terry Rakolta and Americans for Responsible Television?

Granted, these days pretty much all the network and cable outlets (including Fox) have programming that is even more risqué than Fox's early shows, so the whole thing is probably pretty easy to forget.

I'm just surprised to see Fox broadcast programming described as "family programming" at all. Even today, most of what you find in their prime-time lineup is not the sort of thing I would let kids watch--and I'm downright liberal!

I vaguely remember Terry Rakolta, but had dismissed her as another wacko. I read that Rakolta's publicity started in 1989 - when she called for a boycott of Married With Children. Although I agree it was not a family program, I did love watching it. Even though I enjoyed it, I think programs of that type should be kept in a 9 pm or later time slot.

For years, my local FOX station has shown reruns of Little House On The Prairie in the time slots I was talking about. I don't consider their (nor most programs on the other networks in the same time period) prime-time programs suitable for children. Most of the time, in my home, the TV is turned off during prime-time (unless someone says there is an interesting program on), and we either read, converse, or engage in another activity during that time.

Although I never forbade my kids from watching a network broadcast that I disapproved of, I made sure I watched the same program so we could discuss it later. Aside from their complaints that all other kids in the world get to watch whatever they wish without parental interference, it seems to have worked fine for my family.

"Although I never forbade my kids from watching a network broadcast that I disapproved of, I made sure I watched the same program so we could discuss it later. Aside from their complaints that all other kids in the world get to watch whatever they wish without parental interference, it seems to have worked fine for my family."

I think this is a good strategy with older elementary school age and early teens, and I do the same. For young kids, though, most of Fox's programming is off limits in my family. A show like "24" is too violent, for example.

To me, a "family-friendly" show is something I can let a 7 or 8 year-old watch by himself. But I will let my preschooler watch some of these shows with me, so I can stop (thank goodness for DVR cable boxes; don't know how we got by without them before) and ask him questions like "Was that a nice thing, or a mean thing that so-and-so did? What should she have done instead?" or "Could someone really fly to the moon using a slingshot? Do you think he would be able to breathe without a spacesuit?" That allows us to discuss issues like real vs. pretend, right vs. wrong, safe vs. dangerous, and so forth.

Disney, that other media outlet that likes to call itself family-friendly, is one of the worst offenders in the violence category. I have not yet allowed my preschooler to watch things like "Bambi" or "Finding Nemo"--just too scary with the themes of dead parents and children in peril. "Cars" and "Wall-E" were OK, but we talked a lot about the dangerous antics on screen, and how real people would be badly injured by the same events.

So I agree. Most of the time the TV is off in my house, too. Even during daytime hours, most of the programming on my local Fox affiliate is garbage.

I did not know that FOX in some areas, like yours, showed non-kid-friendly programs like House at 5 pm. And I agree about Disney programs. I like your approach - would be nice if more parents engaged in the same caring policies you described in your last post.

Yep. During the week it's local news from 4:30-9:00 AM, 11:00-noon, 5:00-6:30 PM and 10:00-11:00 PM, with the usual scary stuff you expect in a Detroit newscast (robberies, shootings, etc.) The rest of the non-prime-time lineup is trashy talk shows, several different reality TV court shows along the lines of "Judge Judy," entertainment tripe like TMZ, and reruns of "Seinfeld." On the weekends some of that is replaced by movies, other Fox series reruns and syndicated shows. Very little there for kids.

We end up watching the local PBS affiliates, CBET (CBC affiliate--one of the perks of living in Detroit is access to Canadian broadcast TV) Noggin, and the Weather Channel more than anything else. But even the Weather Channel gets scary sometimes, just as the otherwise educational Discovery and Science Channels have some frightening stuff that has to be chosen carefully and discussed thoroughly. We usually avoid the History Channel, which a colleague's husband quite accurately refers to as the "Death and Pestilence Channel."